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	<title>Comments on: Web 2.0 is dead, long live boredom</title>
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	<description>The best part about being a cynic is being right so much.</description>
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		<title>By: cynicallyspeaking</title>
		<link>http://cynicminds.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/web-20-is-dead-long-live-boredom/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>cynicallyspeaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A snippet of text down one side would be enough, with a link to more information at the end of it.

I think a full page introduction at the start would be overkill and probably turn people off - it&#039;s not only that they don&#039;t like to read I believe it actually causes some of them pain.  I don&#039;t mean to cause offence either but .. well, I&#039;m good at it.  :)

Maybe some sort of cookie-controlled &quot;first story&quot; that can be shown to new users and then closed if they don&#039;t want to see it?

And yeah, you do need a community first.  It&#039;s been a problem with websites for a long time - forums, blogs, wikis, social sites etc just die because they never get enough users to build momentum.

If you haven&#039;t written some sort of strategy for how you&#039;re going to attract and retain visitors now would be a good time.  Link building, awareness and an identity need to be approached with some sort of structure, otherwise everything boils down to chance, which isn&#039;t usually on your side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A snippet of text down one side would be enough, with a link to more information at the end of it.</p>
<p>I think a full page introduction at the start would be overkill and probably turn people off &#8211; it&#8217;s not only that they don&#8217;t like to read I believe it actually causes some of them pain.  I don&#8217;t mean to cause offence either but .. well, I&#8217;m good at it.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Maybe some sort of cookie-controlled &#8220;first story&#8221; that can be shown to new users and then closed if they don&#8217;t want to see it?</p>
<p>And yeah, you do need a community first.  It&#8217;s been a problem with websites for a long time &#8211; forums, blogs, wikis, social sites etc just die because they never get enough users to build momentum.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t written some sort of strategy for how you&#8217;re going to attract and retain visitors now would be a good time.  Link building, awareness and an identity need to be approached with some sort of structure, otherwise everything boils down to chance, which isn&#8217;t usually on your side.</p>
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		<title>By: elgato</title>
		<link>http://cynicminds.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/web-20-is-dead-long-live-boredom/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>elgato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, didn&#039;t mean the &quot;people don&#039;t read&quot; thing to be degrading.  What I meant was that &quot;instructions&quot; are often, in my experience, overlooked/ignored while people head towards the big bright buttons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, didn&#8217;t mean the &#8220;people don&#8217;t read&#8221; thing to be degrading.  What I meant was that &#8220;instructions&#8221; are often, in my experience, overlooked/ignored while people head towards the big bright buttons.</p>
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		<title>By: elgato</title>
		<link>http://cynicminds.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/web-20-is-dead-long-live-boredom/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>elgato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been wrestling with whether or not to create an intro-style front page for a while now.  My personal experience has been that people really don&#039;t read anyways.  Also, I feel that if I need to explain this, then I&#039;m not doing a good enough job on the interface.  Unfortunately, I haven&#039;t thought of a better way yet.  Additionally, I never really wanted to define the site... I was hoping that the users would do that.  Having said all of that, I absolutely think that people are slightly confused by it at first, and I think I agree with you.

You make some great points here, and about all of these sites.  I&#039;ve purposely left a large part of that type of functionality out of my site so far in the hopes that the community would define what they wanted rather than impose something on them.  Problem is, you need a community before you can take requests, so do you create features that people may hate or keep it simple until you understand their needs.

Sorry, didn&#039;t at all mean to turn this into much of anything about my experience, but you&#039;ve made some great points and they&#039;ve caused me evaluate my own efforts -- thanks for that.  I hope you can get some more upvotes on reddit so that more people see this -- it&#039;s tough to get noticed nowadays and a lot of quality content goes unnoticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been wrestling with whether or not to create an intro-style front page for a while now.  My personal experience has been that people really don&#8217;t read anyways.  Also, I feel that if I need to explain this, then I&#8217;m not doing a good enough job on the interface.  Unfortunately, I haven&#8217;t thought of a better way yet.  Additionally, I never really wanted to define the site&#8230; I was hoping that the users would do that.  Having said all of that, I absolutely think that people are slightly confused by it at first, and I think I agree with you.</p>
<p>You make some great points here, and about all of these sites.  I&#8217;ve purposely left a large part of that type of functionality out of my site so far in the hopes that the community would define what they wanted rather than impose something on them.  Problem is, you need a community before you can take requests, so do you create features that people may hate or keep it simple until you understand their needs.</p>
<p>Sorry, didn&#8217;t at all mean to turn this into much of anything about my experience, but you&#8217;ve made some great points and they&#8217;ve caused me evaluate my own efforts &#8212; thanks for that.  I hope you can get some more upvotes on reddit so that more people see this &#8212; it&#8217;s tough to get noticed nowadays and a lot of quality content goes unnoticed.</p>
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		<title>By: cynicallyspeaking</title>
		<link>http://cynicminds.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/web-20-is-dead-long-live-boredom/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>cynicallyspeaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://rinked.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rinked&lt;/a&gt; looks interesting but it really needs some sort of &quot;what is this&quot; information on the front page.  :)

Fun is about all it comes down to now.  There&#039;s always a slim chance someone&#039;ll be lucky and win with a better version of an existing concept, but it&#039;s a really slim chance.  A big feature of the superficial definition of Web 2.0 seems to be incredible quantities of (new) brand loyalty.

Digg is practically begging for someone to &quot;do it properly&quot;.  Their search sucks, they have the most half-arsed comment threading and moderation in existance and they&#039;ve transformed from a news aggregator to a funny links site.

Del.icio.us is just plain ugly, lacks support for Opera (although as an Opera user I can honestly say ... big deal, there&#039;s bugger all of us anyway), and it&#039;s really quite limited - links are public or private, the end.

Flickr is completely devoid of customisation - not even CSS tweaking - so you&#039;re totally locked into one look and feel.

So I still think there&#039;s a little bit of room for &#039;me too&#039; sites, but I don&#039;t think the current blend of technologies is going to be enough to usurp leadership.  They can be improved on, but not vastly.

Imagine an online office suite done using Apollo - this is the platform Adobe have produced, and are using to create an online version of Photoshop.  The first office suite that&#039;s done using Apollo has the potential to be on a level playing field with Microsoft Office feature wise.  It&#039;s going to leave the &lt;a href=&quot;http://cynicminds.wordpress.com/2007/04/29/online-office-suites/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;long running joke&lt;/a&gt; of online office suites for dead, no doubt about it.

The first flickr-style site that lets you manipulate your images locally pre/post publishing, directly on your desktop instead of fudged together remotely with upload delays, file size limits, and then manipulated via basic Flash and JavaScript, is going to rock people&#039;s socks off.

There&#039;s definitely room for improvement on all of the leading sites, the key now I think is to get onboard with emerging technologies and be the early adopter that gets in first and deepest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit:  <a href="http://rinked.com" rel="nofollow">rinked</a> looks interesting but it really needs some sort of &#8220;what is this&#8221; information on the front page.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Fun is about all it comes down to now.  There&#8217;s always a slim chance someone&#8217;ll be lucky and win with a better version of an existing concept, but it&#8217;s a really slim chance.  A big feature of the superficial definition of Web 2.0 seems to be incredible quantities of (new) brand loyalty.</p>
<p>Digg is practically begging for someone to &#8220;do it properly&#8221;.  Their search sucks, they have the most half-arsed comment threading and moderation in existance and they&#8217;ve transformed from a news aggregator to a funny links site.</p>
<p>Del.icio.us is just plain ugly, lacks support for Opera (although as an Opera user I can honestly say &#8230; big deal, there&#8217;s bugger all of us anyway), and it&#8217;s really quite limited &#8211; links are public or private, the end.</p>
<p>Flickr is completely devoid of customisation &#8211; not even CSS tweaking &#8211; so you&#8217;re totally locked into one look and feel.</p>
<p>So I still think there&#8217;s a little bit of room for &#8216;me too&#8217; sites, but I don&#8217;t think the current blend of technologies is going to be enough to usurp leadership.  They can be improved on, but not vastly.</p>
<p>Imagine an online office suite done using Apollo &#8211; this is the platform Adobe have produced, and are using to create an online version of Photoshop.  The first office suite that&#8217;s done using Apollo has the potential to be on a level playing field with Microsoft Office feature wise.  It&#8217;s going to leave the <a href="http://cynicminds.wordpress.com/2007/04/29/online-office-suites/" rel="nofollow">long running joke</a> of online office suites for dead, no doubt about it.</p>
<p>The first flickr-style site that lets you manipulate your images locally pre/post publishing, directly on your desktop instead of fudged together remotely with upload delays, file size limits, and then manipulated via basic Flash and JavaScript, is going to rock people&#8217;s socks off.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s definitely room for improvement on all of the leading sites, the key now I think is to get onboard with emerging technologies and be the early adopter that gets in first and deepest.</p>
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		<title>By: elgato</title>
		<link>http://cynicminds.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/web-20-is-dead-long-live-boredom/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>elgato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though I&#039;ve recently released a me-too website myself... actually, probably *because* I&#039;ve recently released a me-too website, I have to agree with you.  I had fun creating my little website, but ultimately, I was exactly &quot;years too late&quot;.  Unfortunately, my creativity is very much failing me, so I certainly won&#039;t be the one leading anyone to Web 3.0.  If I could think of anything more creative I would have.  I think that&#039;s probably true for a lot of developers.  There&#039;s just only so many things that a person can envision as being useful on the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I&#8217;ve recently released a me-too website myself&#8230; actually, probably *because* I&#8217;ve recently released a me-too website, I have to agree with you.  I had fun creating my little website, but ultimately, I was exactly &#8220;years too late&#8221;.  Unfortunately, my creativity is very much failing me, so I certainly won&#8217;t be the one leading anyone to Web 3.0.  If I could think of anything more creative I would have.  I think that&#8217;s probably true for a lot of developers.  There&#8217;s just only so many things that a person can envision as being useful on the internet.</p>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Web 2.0 is dead, long live boredom - myspacerip.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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